the big stories. when i was a journalist starting out 30 years ago, part of your job was to stop people seeing your front pages until it was on thenewsstand. now the front page is you're trng to finish it at 8:00 in the evening so you can get it on to the t.v. screens. that's the way you're marketing yourself. it's a complete changehich i find it very, very hard to adapt to. in that pursuit of big-impact journalism, some newspapers really have reached a point where anything will go. absolutely anything. and the one term i thi this guy, paul mcmullen who goes on the television the will say, look, we all did it, none of us thought it was wrong and the people that taught me did it as well. they have to make an impact and they'll stop at nothing to do it. >> rose: this is the guy that talked to hugh grant when hugh grant was secretly recording him. >> that's right. >> rose: catherine, what is the damage t newscorp and what is the damage to rupert murdoch? >> well, again... i mean, as just said, you could